Posts by Island Man

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Hoping I can stay

by allyson in

i started studying with witnesses about 21 months ago.

started going to meetings in march 2017, went to the memorial and attended my first convention.

i love it.

Island Man

They can't stop you attending by meetings as infinitum as a non baptised person.

Actually, they can. They can tell her that her implied invitation has been revoked and future visits to the kingdom hall will be treated as trespassing.

They typically do this when apostates come around and start asking difficult questions or start sharing TTATT.

Given JWs' strong bigotry against gays and transsexuals it's not too much of a stretch to think that they might do this to her if they sense she's intent on remaining a trans woman and is of the adamant view that Jehovah accepts her as such. They might consider her presence at the kingdom hall, dressed as a woman, as "upsetting to others" and a "spiritual danger" to the congregation. I think there's at least a 50% chance of this happening.

Keep this in mind: the very act of a biological man dressing as a woman is deemed by them as a serious sin worthy of disfellowshipping. So every time Allyson comes to the meetings dressed as a woman, the JWs - from their perspective - are witnessing a serious, gross sin taking place in their kingdom hall right before their eyes! From a strictly pseudo-logical, scriptural perspective it is comparable to a person coming to the meeting and publicly committing fornication at the kingdom hall in the presence of everyone.

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Can you be disfellowshiped for reading other religious materials?

by paradisebeauty in

i am having a conversation with a jw and they say you can not be disfellowshiped for this.

is this true?

i thought you can be disfellowshiped for this.

Island Man

It is very strongly frowned upon. You would not be regarded as being exemplary. You will definitely be counseled for it. Your response to the counsel could determine whether or not a judicial committee needs to be formed to explore the charge of apostasy or interfaith. In and of itself it's probably not enough to get your DF'd, but your attitude toward it - if you agree with what the other religion is teaching and/or if you're sharing those ideas with others - can get you disfellowshipped.

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In theory, can one be disfellowshipped for attempted suicide?

by Saename in

so i was recently reading the reasons for disfellowshipping as listed in shepherd the flock of god.

the handbook is available online here: https://thetruthofjehowaswittness.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/jehovas-vitner.pdf.. on page 59, point #4, it lists attempted suicide as a reason for disfellowshipping.

has it ever been removed?

Island Man

If one can be DF'd for attempted suicide then doesn't that give suicidal JWs added motivation to ensure that their plot to take their own life, succeeds?

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matured mentally

by Akid48 in

i dont know if any one else is feeling this but after waking up i feel like i matured mentally etc.. im only 13 maybe its just me but i wanted to know if any had this feeling just a quick post..

Island Man

I notice that I've become a lot more accepting and a lot less critical of non-JWs.

JW culture creates and foster prejudice against non-JWs by labelling them all as 'worldy' and 'bad association'. JWs tend to always be looking for bad traits in non-JWs so they can look down on them and pridefully reflect on how fortunate they [the JW] are to be part of Jehovah's clean organization.

Also, since learning TTATT I came to appreciate that many of the bad traits I once saw in non-JWs were not really bad at all, but were just petty judgments based on self-righteous, pharisaic interpretations of scripture. Celebrating Christmas, birthdays, mother's day, etc, aren't really bad things. People don't partake in these observances with any pagan motives in their heart. The JWs' condemnation of these things are based purely on stigma. JWs worship a god of stigma.

One of the things that struck me about the JW reasoning on observing holidays with pagan roots is this:

JWs will say that a person who observes these holidays is guilty of worshiping false gods even though they observe them with innocent, non-pagan motives. So it's that easy to worship a false god! You can worship a false god by accident without even intending to! But then they turn around and do the opposite for all the earnest church-goers of Christendom who are actively and deliberately directing worship to the god of the Bible - surely their deliberate effort must mean that they're worshiping the god of the Bible, right? According to the JWs, no. They're worshipping Satan! See the hypocrisy?

They lower the threshold for what qualifies as worship so they can accuse holiday celebrants of worshiping false gods, even though they're not intending to. But they raise the bar high to disqualify the willful, intentional worship directed to the god of the Bible just so they can say persons in Christendom are not worshiping the god of the Bible. There's is something very wrong and hypocritical about this.

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Is There Any Thing That Would Make A JW SERIOUSLY Question Their Religion?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i realize that jehovah’s witnesses have been dumbed down for long time now.

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still, i think there must be something that would make them really question their beliefs, even their life.. i think that if witnesses were told they could take blood or that disfellowshipping was unloving, they might stop and take a hard look at everything they have sacrificed their lives for.. i know the organization has muddled these subjects before but the i think even die hard witnesses might start to second guess the governing body..

Island Man

I will say that for the overwhelming majority of JWs, only a very negative, disillusioning personal experience in the religion, will get them to seriously question their religion.

Very few will seriously question after hearing TTATT. Most dismiss TTATT as being nothing but "apostate driven" lies.

JWs have been carefully trained to dull their own rational, logical and critical thinking skills in favor of gullible emotional thinking that blindly and naively laps up rose-colored, self-serving, emotive Watchtower propaganda and super cynically and prejudicially dismisses all negative information just because it is negative, without any regard whatsoever as to testing out its truthfulness. In fact, many JWs will outright tell you they do not want to hear it, if they know you're about to share negative information with them. Classic burying the head in the sand!

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Faced with the reality of mortality

by stuckinarut2 in

how have you all coped with facing the reality of our mortality?.

most of us were raised to firmly believe we would never get old or die... so here we are now having to face the reality that are getting older... we are going to die.. sometimes it really pisses me off that we were never helped to comprehend this most basic of facts.

we were given a utopian dream as a "fact", and hence never taught how to face our inevitable futures.... thoughts?.

Island Man

How have you all coped with facing the reality of our mortality?

I remind myself that I was dead once before - before I was conceived. I think of my future demise as simply a return to my non-existent state before conception. I do not grieve the time I did not exist before conception, so why should I be grieved about the time I will not exist when I die?

I will not miss out on anything when I die because I will be unconscious. To miss out on something you have to be conscious of the fact that that thing exists and you're not experiencing it. So I know I will not be missing out on anything when I die because I will not have the consciousness required to experience loss and missing out. We only think we'll be missing out because we look at our death through the eyes of the living. You have to resist that temptation and look at your death through the eyes of the dead.

The worst part about dying could be that it happens painfully. But don't we experience pain when we get sick but do not die? Haven't you been sick before, in pain? So why should the pain of dying be dreaded any more than the pain we have already experienced without dying?

Death does no harm to the dead. Death only grieves the living. Don't grieve over your own death. Grieve over the death of a loved one.

If there is any religion I will get behind, it's a rational, non-theistic religion that focuses on this subject of coping with our own mortality, overcoming the irrational fear of death. I believe that once we sit down and meditate carefully on what our death actually entails and how it actually will not affect us in any way, much of the irrational fear and anxiety surrounding our mortality disappears.

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Asexual dating?

by purrpurr in

for those who don't know, asexual is someone who feels no sexual desire for other people.

they may often want the companionship of a relationship but with no benefits.

what would the jws view be of a jw dating an asexual worldly person?

Island Man

JWs are all about appearances. So even though the person is asexual they will say that your actions still go against the spirit of the scriptures and sets a bad example that others in the congregation may choose to follow if you're not dealt with. They'll also say that even without the illicit sex, there's the matter of bad association. JWs aren't supposed to have unnecessary association with worldly persons, such as going out with them on a chaste date.

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Male Martyrs can expect to find 72 virgin maidens, what can female suicide bombers expect???

by James Mixon in

female martyrs will be chief of 72 virgins the fairest of the women, and plus she will made beautiful , happy and without jealousy .."whoopee" their paradise is worst than jw's paradise..

Island Man

72

Stay alive till 75!

Stay true for the 72!

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Do you believe in god?

by freakyAL in

i used to be a staunch believer in god.

maybe its technology and science advancing so much thats got me doubting idk.

do you believe in god?

Island Man

No. There is no sound evidence to support the idea of a god.

Belief in a god starts with religious indoctrination; is motivated by irrational emotionalism; and endures through scientific ignorance and lack of critical thinking skills.

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YPA change of picture

by dozy in

anybody got any idea why the cover picture on the young people ask book was changed?

they removed the picture of the boy bottom right & superimposed a different head.

maybe the guy got dfd or maybe it was to change it to an asian guy rather than 2 caucasians?

Island Man

I think the most likely scenario is that he is now an ex-JW. Watchtower loves to stigmatize. They likely stigmatize as "spiritually unclean" any publication the production of which was contributed to by anyone that is now an ex-JW. Remember what happened to all the publications authored by Raymond Franz? When it's a photo appearance, they edit the person out of the photo.

There could also be legal concerns as well. A JW who disassociates might not want his picture to continue being featured in Watchtower literature, giving the impression that he is still affiliated with the organization. Some might threaten legal action if Watchtower does not remove their image from their literature.